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The attachment seems too complicated to read and understand quickly, but it appears that a 2900year cycle of 2989 lunar 12month years equal to 1,059,023 days has been discovered. It is one of the lunisolar cycles I have in http://www.thelight.com/cal/Lunisolar4.html of http://www.thelight.com/cal/kp_Lunisolar_xls.html and so has a mean year of 365.24241 days and as mean month of 29.5305844 days. The article also mentions an Xcycle of 16 years = 198 lunar months = 5847 days  mean year 365.4375 days, mean month 29.503030303 days. Ycycle of 29year cycle = 359 lunar months = 10592 days Also it then shows some corrected Xcycles, which are ten or nine X cycles corrected by removing one month of 29 days. I have shown such to the list before. 160 years has 198*101 = 1979 months equal to 5847*1029 = 58441 days  mean year 365.25625 days, mean month 29.530571 days 144 years has 198*91 = 1781 months equal to 5847*929 = 52594 days  mean year 365.2361111 days, mean month 29.530601 days He forms a 464year Zcycle of 29 Xcycles by combining two of the 160year cycles with one of the 144year cycles 464 years = 5739 months = 169476 days  mean year 365.25 days, mean month 29.530580 days. I don't yet follow how he moves on from this to get the 2900year cycle. I will point out that the 2900year cycle can be made from four 725year cycles of 183*49=8967 months each. Three of which have 183*1447=264801 days and one has a day less, so giving the total of 4*2648011=1,059,203 days. So the 2,900year cycle could be achieved by running the lunar months in a 49month cycle of 1447 days and correcting this by dropping a day once every 2900 years and accompanying it with a solar calendar like the Julian calendar but with 22 leap days dropped every 29 centuries, which would then have the same number of days in 2900 years as 732 49month cycles with one day dropped. The 49month cycle appears in my lunar yerm calendar http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/palmen/yerm1.htm and Isaac Newton's idea of reforming the Julian Calendar http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/59/3/223.full  Pity he missed the 2900year cycle! The Annuary calendar http://www.hermetic.ch/cal_stud/palmen/anry.htm , which I have invented some time ago has some similarities with this "World Triple Calendar". Karl 11(02(25 Original Message From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ????????? ?????? Sent: 09 April 2010 10:00 To: [hidden email] Subject: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR "Барахолка" на Товары@Mail.Ru. Покупай дешево, продавай выгодно. http://r.mail.ru/cln4270/torg.mail.ru/used/  Scanned by iCritical. 
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Dear Kaldarchan and Calendar People
A relatively simple way of implementing a Triple Calendar with the 2900year lunisolar cycle mentioned would be: LUNAR CAENDAR with months run on a 49month cycle of 1447 days in which the months are grouped into three periods of 17, 15 and 17 months within each the oddnumbered months have 30 days and the evennumbered months have 29 days. Once every 732 49month cycles (which equal 2900 years) remove one day from a 30day month. SOLAR CALENDAR: Like the (proleptic) Gregorian calendar for years 1 to 2900, then repeating every 2900 years. In other words, a year is a leap year if and only if its number is divisible by 4, unless it is also divisible by 100, in which case it is a leap year if and only if its remainder when divided by 2900 is a positive multiple of 400. LUNISOLAR CALENDAR: Months coincide with those of the lunar calendar. First month of the lunisolar year is first lunar month to begin in the corresponding solar calendar year. This is like Isaac Newton's unpublished reform of the Julian Calendar http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/59/3/223.full , except for the 2900year cycle. Karl 11(03(06 Original Message From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of ????????? ?????? Sent: 09 April 2010 10:00 To: [hidden email] Subject: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR "Барахолка" на Товары@Mail.Ru. Покупай дешево, продавай выгодно. http://r.mail.ru/cln4270/torg.mail.ru/used/  Scanned by iCritical. 
On 2010 Apr 19, at 08:08 , Karl Palmen wrote:
An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300 lunar months would be even simpler, as the same cycle could be employed for both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior astronomical accuracy compared to the cycles that Kaldarchan selected. 
Irv, Karl sirs:
>An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300 lunar months would be even simpler, as >the same cycle could be employed for both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior >astronomical accuracy compared to the cycles that Kaldarchan selected. You have your reasons to promote 1803yrs/22300 lunation and/or 2900year cycle, BUT the surest & possibly the smallest lunisolar cycle that I have been working & pointed is: 896years/11082 lunation needing ONE day/tithi adjustment to show perfect alignment over (29*896)year period during which ONE lunation gets 'automatically' adjusted for alignment providing CURRENT Mean Year & Mean Lunation. This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of Equinoxes*. Dr AK Bag, sir: Indeed it was great talking over the phone. I shall send you some details as promised in aday or so. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55305)/1726+D120W1701 (G. Monday, 2010 April 19H12:74 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) ******As per Kali VGRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2colvipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 6758548 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:34:16 0400 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR To: [hidden email] On 2010 Apr 19, at 08:08 , Karl Palmen wrote:
An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300 lunar months would be even simpler, as the same cycle could be employed for both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior astronomical accuracy compared to the cycles that Kaldarchan selected.
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On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant figures, as there are several factors that cause the rate of precession of the equinoxes to vary, such as:  Earth axial tilt (precession is faster when the axial tilt is less)  Earth orbital eccentricity (advance of perihelion is faster when eccentricity is less) As a consequence, precession of the equinoxes should not be regarded as a fixed duration cycle  each cycle duration can vary by many centuries, or perhaps more. Although we can numerically integrate the Earth orbital eccentricity changes with probably acceptable accuracy for many millennia into the past and future, present knowledge leaves a lot of uncertainty for the Earth axial tilt cycle (beyond a few millennia from the present era). The typical polynomials used to reckon Earth axial tilt (obliquity of the ecliptic) all go implausibly "wild" at some point outside a few thousand years from the present era. 
Irv, CC sirs:
> On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: >It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant figures..... I have only tried to point that most values that I have read in 'authentic sources' suggest the cycle to be 26000years; such as Wikipedia at: Axial precession (precession of the equinoxes): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession reads: "The Earth goes through one such complete precessional cycle in a period of approximately 26,000 years, during which the positions of stars as measured in the equatorial coordinate system will slowly change;….." My earlier worked calculations, based on (assumed misleading....?) data can be seen: http://www.brijvij.com/bb_Precessionn896yrs.pdf Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55305)/1726+D120W1701 (G. Monday, 2010 April 19H17:09 (decimal) EST Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:53:29 0400 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR To: [hidden email] On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant figures, as there are several factors that cause the rate of precession of the equinoxes to vary, such as:
 Earth axial tilt (precession is faster when the axial tilt is less)
 Earth orbital eccentricity (advance of perihelion is faster when eccentricity is less)
As a consequence, precession of the equinoxes should not be regarded as a fixed duration cycle  each cycle duration can vary by many centuries, or perhaps more.
Although we can numerically integrate the Earth orbital eccentricity changes with probably acceptable accuracy for many millennia into the past and future, present knowledge leaves a lot of uncertainty for the Earth axial tilt cycle (beyond a few millennia from the present era). The typical polynomials used to reckon Earth axial tilt (obliquity of the ecliptic) all go implausibly "wild" at some point outside a few thousand years from the present era. The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. 
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Dear Irv and Calendar People,
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Irv Bromberg <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > > This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of Equinoxes*. > > It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant figures, as It is Brij's cycle that is quoted to 5 significant digits, which is appropriate, in this case, because it's exactly 29 cycles of 896 years or 25,984 years. I think what Brij is saying is that his cycle of 29 cycles of 896 years each approximates one cycle of the precession of the equinox, which is also appropriate. I don't think he's claiming that the precession of the equinoxes takes exactly 25984 years. In fact, if you look carefully, he says "almost", implying it's not an exact match. Victor 
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Victor, sir: I thank you for clearing 'doubt'? Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55305)/1726+D120W1701 (G. Monday, 2010 April 19H17:31 (decimal) EST > From: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > To: [hidden email] > > Dear Irv and Calendar People, > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Irv Bromberg <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > > > > This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of Equinoxes*. > > > > It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant figures, as > > It is Brij's cycle that is quoted to 5 significant digits, which is > appropriate, in this case, because it's exactly 29 cycles of 896 years > or 25,984 years. I think what Brij is saying is that his cycle of 29 > cycles of 896 years each approximates one cycle of the precession of > the equinox, which is also appropriate. I don't think he's claiming > that the precession of the equinoxes takes exactly 25984 years. In > fact, if you look carefully, he says "almost", implying it's not an > exact match. > > Victor The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your email accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. 
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Sirs:
CalndrL message dated: Your message dated Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:08:11 0400 with... Irv, Karl sirs: >An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300 lunar months would be even simpler, as >the same cycle could be employed for both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior >astronomical accuracy compared to the cycles that Kaldarchan selected. You have your reasons to promote 1803yrs/22300 lunation and/or 2900year cycle, BUT the surest & possibly the smallest lunisolar cycle that I have been working & pointed is: 896years/11082 lunation needing ONE day/tithi adjustment to show perfect alignment over (29*896)year period during which ONE lunation gets 'automatically' adjusted for alignment providing CURRENT Mean Year & Mean Lunation. This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of Equinoxes*. Dr AK Bag, sir: Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55305)/1726+D120W1701 (G. Monday, 2010 April 19H17:47 (decimal) EST Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) ******As per Kali VGRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2colvipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 6758548 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:34:16 0400 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR To: [hidden email] On 2010 Apr 19, at 08:08 , Karl Palmen wrote:
An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300 lunar months would be even simpler, as the same cycle could be employed for both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior astronomical accuracy compared to the cycles that Kaldarchan selected.
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Dear Victor, Irv, Brij and Calendar People
I found that 30 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of 26,880 years = 332459 months = 9,817,710 days, giving a mean month of 29.5305887... days. I later found that 29 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of 25,984 years = 321377 months = 9,490,453 days, giving a mean month of 29.5305918... days. Both have a mean year of exactly 365.2421875 days, which can be obtained from a 128year cycle with 31 leap days or an 896year cycle with 159 leap weeks. Karl 11(03(06 till noon Original Message From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Victor Engel Sent: 19 April 2010 22:14 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR Dear Irv and Calendar People, On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Irv Bromberg <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > > This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of Equinoxes*. > > It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant figures, as It is Brij's cycle that is quoted to 5 significant digits, which is appropriate, in this case, because it's exactly 29 cycles of 896 years or 25,984 years. I think what Brij is saying is that his cycle of 29 cycles of 896 years each approximates one cycle of the precession of the equinox, which is also appropriate. I don't think he's claiming that the precession of the equinoxes takes exactly 25984 years. In fact, if you look carefully, he says "almost", implying it's not an exact match. Victor  Scanned by iCritical. 
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Dear Brij and Calendar People From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Irv,
Karl sirs: KARL SAYS: This 896year cycle is not accurate enough. Brij
admits this by stating that it needs an adjustment of one day or tithi. Neither
the 1803year cycle nor the 2900year cycle need any such adjustment. There are also many other possible cycles see http://www.thelight.com/cal/kp_Lunisolar_xls.html
Karl 11(03(07
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:34:16 0400 On 2010 Apr 19, at 08:08 , Karl Palmen
wrote:
An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300
lunar months would be even simpler, as the same cycle could be employed for
both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior astronomical accuracy compared
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Karl,Victor, Irv, CC sirs:
>KARL SAYS: This 896year cycle is not accurate enough. Brij admits this by stating that it needs an >adjustment of one day or tithi. Neither the 1803year cycle nor the 2900year cycle need any such >adjustment. I also said, with ONE day/tithi added to 896years, *ONE LUNATION* automatically get adjusted in 29*896=25984year cycle. As you would see, sir: 29*896 =25984years = 321377.03441815 lunation (9490453.056 d) Mean Year = 365.2421875 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530591797172791 day This EXTRA lunation, I mention is from 29*11082 =321378th lunation, which spoils the Mean Lunation value; in 896yrs/11082 lunation! As far 1803years and 2900years, I place results as: 1803years = 22299.98433866701 lunation (658531.668 d) Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean Lunation = 29.53058296 days 2900years = 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 d) Mean Year = 365.24206896552 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530556484889 days My 834year cycle is *more closer to reality* in EXACT match for lunisolar alignment, with Mean Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days, using 304612 days in (BOTH) . Please observe: 834years =304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 days.Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55306)/1726+D121W1702 (G. Tuesday, 2010 April20H15:71 (decimal) EST Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:47:45 +0100 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR To: [hidden email] Dear Brij and Calendar People
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij
Irv, Karl sirs:
KARL SAYS: This 896year cycle is not accurate enough. Brij admits this by stating that it needs an adjustment of one day or tithi. Neither the 1803year cycle nor the 2900year cycle need any such adjustment.
There are also many other possible cycles see http://www.thelight.com/cal/kp_Lunisolar_xls.html
Karl
11(03(07
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:34:16 0400 On 2010 Apr 19, at 08:08 , Karl Palmen wrote:
An 1803year solar cycle containing 22300 lunar months would be even simpler, as the same cycle could be employed for both the solar and lunar cycles, with superior astronomical accuracy compared to the cycles that Kaldarchan selected.
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Karl, Victor, Irv CC sirs: 834years =304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation Also, 10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 d (BOTH approximating 304612 days). Mean Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days AUTOMATIC adjustment, I mentioned, of *one lunation  the 29*11082 =321378th* that get eliminated in 29 cycles of 896years i.e. 25984years/321377 lunation, make the perfect compromise getting: Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean Lunation = 29.53058296 days 2900years = 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 days) Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55306)/1726+D121W1702 (G. Tuesday, 2010 April 20H17:69 (decimal) ES Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) ******As per Kali VGRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2colvipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 6758548 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:31:52 +0100 > From: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > To: [hidden email] > > Dear Victor, Irv, Brij and Calendar People > > I found that 30 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of > 26,880 years = 332459 months = 9,817,710 days, giving a mean month of > 29.5305887... days. > > I later found that 29 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of > 25,984 years = 321377 months = 9,490,453 days, giving a mean month of > 29.5305918... days. > > Both have a mean year of exactly 365.2421875 days, which can be obtained > from a 128year cycle with 31 leap days or an 896year cycle with 159 > leap weeks. > > Karl > > 11(03(06 till noon > > Original Message > From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Victor Engel > Sent: 19 April 2010 22:14 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > > Dear Irv and Calendar People, > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Irv Bromberg > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > > > > This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of > Equinoxes*. > > > > It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant > figures, as > > It is Brij's cycle that is quoted to 5 significant digits, which is > appropriate, in this case, because it's exactly 29 cycles of 896 years > or 25,984 years. I think what Brij is saying is that his cycle of 29 > cycles of 896 years each approximates one cycle of the precession of > the equinox, which is also appropriate. I don't think he's claiming > that the precession of the equinoxes takes exactly 25984 years. In > fact, if you look carefully, he says "almost", implying it's not an > exact match. > > Victor >  > Scanned by iCritical. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. 
Dear Brij, Victor, Irv and Calendar People Brij said the following about the 834year cycle Mean
Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days This shows it to be a very poor lunisolar cycle, less accurate
for the moon than the Julian Calendar’s 532year Easter cycle. Helios has discovered a lunisolar cycle of three and a half
834year cycles: 2919 years, 36,103 lunar months and 3.5*304,612=1,066,142
days. Its mean month is 29.5305653… days and its mean year is of course
that of the 834year cycle. Seven 834year cycles contains two of these cycles
(5838 years of 72,206 lunar months). Also I recall telling Brij that three 834year cycles (each of
304612/7 = 43516 weeks) have 138*946 weeks so have exactly 965*946 tithis of
2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is very fortunate that the
834year cycle is a multiple of 46 weeks (one third of 138 weeks). These tithis would give 309,945 25/59 lunar months to
three 834year cycles or 103,315 25/177 lunar months to 834 years. The complete lunisolar cycle is 3*(29.5)*834 = 73,809 years of
912,890 lunar months and of 26,958,162 days = 3,851,166 weeks. It is also equal
to 946 lunar 965month cycles and to 88.5 834year cycles. Two of these lunisolar
cycles have 177 834year cycles. The mean year is 365.242206… days (same as for 834year
cycle) and the mean month is 29.53057… days (as for this tithi). There is a much shorter lunisolar cycle that is based on the
tithi of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is the 3511year
cycle of 43,425 lunar months and 1,282,365 days = 183,195 weeks, which is equal
to 45 lunar 965month cycles. Its mean year is 365.24210… days and its mean
month is of course the same 29.53057… days. Karl 11(03(08 From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Karl, Victor, Irv CC
sirs: 834years
=304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation Also,
10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 d (BOTH
approximating 304612 days). Mean
Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days AUTOMATIC adjustment, I
mentioned, of *one lunation  the 29*11082 =321378th* that
get eliminated in 29 cycles of 896years i.e. 25984years/321377 lunation, make
the perfect compromise getting:
Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean
Lunation = 29.53058296 days 2900years
= 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 days)
Mean Year = 365.24206896552 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530556484889 days. Hotmail
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Sirs:
>This shows it to be a very poor lunisolar cycle, less accurate for the moon than the Julian Calendar’s >532year Easter cycle. Purpose of my pointing to 834year/(946*322) days cycle was merely suggesting  equality of : (BOTH solar and lunar  approximation to 304612 days) in 834years. 304611.9862 days =834years =10315.1342 lunation Also, 10315.1342 lunation = 304611.9866 days 3 1/2 times 834years are 2919years (close to number of tithi in 8year cycle).Is what make me 'suggest its unique' property, as lunisolar? Epact difference between 10315.1342 lunation & 834years is only (73106876688  73106876684) decimal seconds! OTHER approximations, I suppose are HISTORY. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55307)/1726+D122W1703 (G. Wednesday, 2010 April 21H11:91 (decimal) EST Aa Nau Bhadra Kritvo Yantu Vishwatah Rg Veda Jan:31; Feb:29; Mar:31; Apr:30; May:31; Jun:30 Jul:30; Aug:31; Sep:30; Oct:31; Nov:30; Dec:30 (365th day of Year is World Day) ******As per Kali VGRhymeCalendaar***** "Koi bhi cheshtha vayarth nahin hoti, purshaarth karne mein hai" Author had NO interaction with The World Calendar Association except via Media & Organisations to who I contributed for A Possible World Calendar, since 1971. My Profile:http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_2colvipBrief.pdf HOME PAGE: http://www.brijvij.com/ Contact # 001 (201) 6758548 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:00:22 +0100 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Also 834years RE: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR To: [hidden email] Dear Brij, Victor, Irv and Calendar People
Brij said the following about the 834year cycle
Mean Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days This shows it to be a very poor lunisolar cycle, less accurate for the moon than the Julian Calendar’s 532year Easter cycle.
Helios has discovered a lunisolar cycle of three and a half 834year cycles: 2919 years, 36,103 lunar months and 3.5*304,612=1,066,142 days. Its mean month is 29.5305653… days and its mean year is of course that of the 834year cycle. Seven 834year cycles contains two of these cycles (5838 years of 72,206 lunar months).
Also I recall telling Brij that three 834year cycles (each of 304612/7 = 43516 weeks) have 138*946 weeks so have exactly 965*946 tithis of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is very fortunate that the 834year cycle is a multiple of 46 weeks (one third of 138 weeks). These tithis would give 309,945 25/59 lunar months to three 834year cycles or 103,315 25/177 lunar months to 834 years.
The complete lunisolar cycle is 3*(29.5)*834 = 73,809 years of 912,890 lunar months and of 26,958,162 days = 3,851,166 weeks. It is also equal to 946 lunar 965month cycles and to 88.5 834year cycles. Two of these lunisolar cycles have 177 834year cycles. The mean year is 365.242206… days (same as for 834year cycle) and the mean month is 29.53057… days (as for this tithi).
There is a much shorter lunisolar cycle that is based on the tithi of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is the 3511year cycle of 43,425 lunar months and 1,282,365 days = 183,195 weeks, which is equal to 45 lunar 965month cycles. Its mean year is 365.24210… days and its mean month is of course the same 29.53057… days.
Karl
11(03(08
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij
Karl, Victor, Irv CC sirs: 834years =304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation Also, 10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 d (BOTH approximating 304612 days). Mean Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days AUTOMATIC adjustment, I mentioned, of *one lunation  the 29*11082 =321378th* that get eliminated in 29 cycles of 896years i.e. 25984years/321377 lunation, make the perfect compromise getting: Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean Lunation = 29.53058296 days 2900years = 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 days) Mean Year = 365.24206896552 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530556484889 days. > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:31:52 +0100 > From: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > To: [hidden email] > > Dear Victor, Irv, Brij and Calendar People > > I found that 30 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of > 26,880 years = 332459 months = 9,817,710 days, giving a mean month of > 29.5305887... days. > > I later found that 29 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of > 25,984 years = 321377 months = 9,490,453 days, giving a mean month of > 29.5305918... days. > > Both have a mean year of exactly 365.2421875 days, which can be obtained > from a 128year cycle with 31 leap days or an 896year cycle with 159 > leap weeks. > > Karl > > 11(03(06 till noon > > Original Message > From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Victor Engel > Sent: 19 April 2010 22:14 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > > Dear Irv and Calendar People, > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Irv Bromberg > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > > > > This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of > Equinoxes*. > > > > It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant > figures, as > > It is Brij's cycle that is quoted to 5 significant digits, which is > appropriate, in this case, because it's exactly 29 cycles of 896 years > or 25,984 years. I think what Brij is saying is that his cycle of 29 > cycles of 896 years each approximates one cycle of the precession of > the equinox, which is also appropriate. I don't think he's claiming > that the precession of the equinoxes takes exactly 25984 years. In > fact, if you look carefully, he says "almost", implying it's not an > exact match. > > Victor >  > Scanned by iCritical. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. Scanned by iCritical. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. 
Dear Brij and Calendar People A lunisolar cycle needs to have a whole number of years,
lunar months and days. Please see http://www.thelight.com/cal/kp_Lunisolar_xls.html
for examples. Therefore, 834 years of 10315.1342 lunar months and 304611.9862
days is NOT a lunisolar cycle. 834 years with 10315 lunar months and 304612 days is a poor
lunisolar cycle. The mean month of 304612/10315 = 29.53059743… days, which
Brij did calculate is inaccurate. May be, Brij is suggesting a lunisolar 8,340,000year cycle with
103,151,342 lunations and 3,046,119,862 days or perhaps 4,170,000 years with 51,575,671 lunations and 1,523,059,931
days. I ask Brij to read about the 2919year 73,809year and 3511year
cycles again and to understand how the 834year cycle appears in the 2919year
cycle, the tithi appears in the 3511year cycle and both in the 73,809year
cycle. When did Brij ever ask a question about and calendar person’s
Email? Karl 11(03(08 till noon From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Sirs: Also, 10315.1342
lunation = 304611.9866 days 3
1/2 times 834years are 2919years (close to number of tithi in 8year cycle). Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:00:22 +0100 Dear Brij, Victor, Irv and Calendar People Brij said the following about the 834year cycle Mean
Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days This shows it to be a very poor lunisolar cycle, less accurate
for the moon than the Julian Calendar’s 532year Easter cycle. Helios has discovered a lunisolar cycle of three and a half
834year cycles: 2919 years, 36,103 lunar months and 3.5*304,612=1,066,142 days.
Its mean month is 29.5305653… days and its mean year is of course that of
the 834year cycle. Seven 834year cycles contains two of these cycles (5838
years of 72,206 lunar months). Also I recall telling Brij that three 834year cycles (each of
304612/7 = 43516 weeks) have 138*946 weeks so have exactly 965*946 tithis of
2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is very fortunate that the
834year cycle is a multiple of 46 weeks (one third of 138 weeks). These tithis would give 309,945 25/59 lunar months
to three 834year cycles or 103,315 25/177 lunar months to 834 years. The complete lunisolar cycle is 3*(29.5)*834 = 73,809 years of
912,890 lunar months and of 26,958,162 days = 3,851,166 weeks. It is also equal
to 946 lunar 965month cycles and to 88.5 834year cycles. Two of these
lunisolar cycles have 177 834year cycles. The mean year is 365.242206… days (same as for 834year
cycle) and the mean month is 29.53057… days (as for this tithi). There is a much shorter lunisolar cycle that is based on the
tithi of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is the 3511year
cycle of 43,425 lunar months and 1,282,365 days = 183,195 weeks, which is equal
to 45 lunar 965month cycles. Its mean year is 365.24210… days and its
mean month is of course the same 29.53057… days. Karl 11(03(08 From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Karl, Victor, Irv CC
sirs: 834years
=304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation Also,
10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 d (BOTH
approximating 304612 days). Mean
Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days AUTOMATIC adjustment, I
mentioned, of *one lunation  the 29*11082 =321378th* that
get eliminated in 29 cycles of 896years i.e. 25984years/321377 lunation, make
the perfect compromise getting:
Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean Lunation = 29.53058296
days 2900years
= 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 days)
Mean Year = 365.24206896552 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530556484889 days. Hotmail
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In reply to this post by Brij Bhushan Vij
I think I'm seeing a possible reason for a 2/59 month tithi. Consider the lunisolar cycle for which;
730 months = 59 years, and lunisolar year = 365.37847 days = 12 & 22 / 59 months This year drifts through the seasons in the prograde direction. We can fill a year of 365 days with modular numbers ( 730 of them ), provided that there are TWO modular numbers per day. I have not determined their order. It would be possible to make occasional corrections if we knew the shift interval of the modular numbers. Shift interval S = 1 / [ 730  ( 59*Y / M ) ] where Y is any acceptable solar year of one's choosing. Yet if these corrections were done at two at a time, we'd want a double shift interval. Double shift interval SS = 1 / [ 365  ( 59 / 2 )*( Y / M ) ] So, plug in, for example Y = 365 & 31 / 128 days then SS = 7.3452 years Brij's 365 & 31 / 128 day year is corrected by a 2/59 month, on average, every 7.3452 years. 
In reply to this post by Karl Palmen
Karl, sir:
>When did Brij ever ask a question about and calendar person’s Email? Karl is an "authority on CALENDARS", but I have not understood: Why does he consider my 834year cycle INFIRIOR to 1803year & 3150year cycles? I gather from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar LUNISOLAR – adj. Of or caused by both the sun and the moon; and relating to or attributed to the moon and the sun or their mutual relations. A lunisolar calendar is a calendar in many cultures whose date indicates both the moon phase and the time of the solar year...... >Therefore, 834 years of 10315.1342 lunar months and 304611.9862 days is NOT a lunisolar cycle. >834 years with 10315 lunar months and 304612 days is a poor lunisolar cycle. The mean month of >304612/10315 = 29.53059743… days, which Brij did calculate is inaccurate. What Mean Year/Lunation values are obtained by Karl and/or his team.....since my learning is....agreed limited to my interpretations! I obtain these as:Mean Year =304612 days/834 years =365d.242206235012 [365d 5h 48m 46s.6187] and Mean Lunation =304612 days/10315 Lunar months=29d.53097431[29d 12h 44m 36s.18032]. Agreed, with these value the cycle is poor  compared with my 896year cycle having Mean Year= 327257/896=365.2421875 days; and Mn Ln=327257/11082 =29.53049990976358058 days. I suggest improving this on using 29 cycles of 896years to 29d.530591797173 [29d 12h 44m 3s.1313]. How are my calculations infirior to Mean Value for 1803year & 3150year lunisolar cycles, sir? My *INTENTION* of pointing to exactness in 834year cycle has been misunderstood  mark my "Also 834years", in subject line. Compensation of *epact duration* in: 304611.9862 days =834years =10315.1342 lunation. THIS point, the difference being ONLY (73106876688  73106876684) decimal seconds, is perhaps for astronomers to THINK HISTORIC, although not for Calendarists, as Karl points! I, therefore, do not intend to refute his views  like my claim/discovery of 896year cycle. Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55308)/1726+D123W1704 (G. Thurday, 2010 April 22H15:85 (decimal) EST Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:25:27 +0100 From: [hidden email] Subject: Re: Exactness RE: Also 834years RE: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR To: [hidden email] Dear Brij and Calendar People
A lunisolar cycle needs to have a whole number of years, lunar months and days. Please see http://www.thelight.com/cal/kp_Lunisolar_xls.html for examples.
Therefore, 834 years of 10315.1342 lunar months and 304611.9862 days is NOT a lunisolar cycle. 834 years with 10315 lunar months and 304612 days is a poor lunisolar cycle. The mean month of 304612/10315 = 29.53059743… days, which Brij did calculate is inaccurate.
May be, Brij is suggesting a lunisolar 8,340,000year cycle with 103,151,342 lunations and 3,046,119,862 days or perhaps 4,170,000 years with 51,575,671 lunations and 1,523,059,931 days.
I ask Brij to read about the 2919year 73,809year and 3511year cycles again and to understand how the 834year cycle appears in the 2919year cycle, the tithi appears in the 3511year cycle and both in the 73,809year cycle.
When did Brij ever ask a question about and calendar person’s Email?
Karl
11(03(08 till noon
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij
Sirs: Also, 10315.1342 lunation = 304611.9866 days 3 1/2 times 834years are 2919years (close to number of tithi in 8year cycle). Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:00:22 +0100 Dear Brij, Victor, Irv and Calendar People
Brij said the following about the 834year cycle
Mean Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days This shows it to be a very poor lunisolar cycle, less accurate for the moon than the Julian Calendar’s 532year Easter cycle.
Helios has discovered a lunisolar cycle of three and a half 834year cycles: 2919 years, 36,103 lunar months and 3.5*304,612=1,066,142 days. Its mean month is 29.5305653… days and its mean year is of course that of the 834year cycle. Seven 834year cycles contains two of these cycles (5838 years of 72,206 lunar months).
Also I recall telling Brij that three 834year cycles (each of 304612/7 = 43516 weeks) have 138*946 weeks so have exactly 965*946 tithis of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is very fortunate that the 834year cycle is a multiple of 46 weeks (one third of 138 weeks). These tithis would give 309,945 25/59 lunar months to three 834year cycles or 103,315 25/177 lunar months to 834 years.
The complete lunisolar cycle is 3*(29.5)*834 = 73,809 years of 912,890 lunar months and of 26,958,162 days = 3,851,166 weeks. It is also equal to 946 lunar 965month cycles and to 88.5 834year cycles. Two of these lunisolar cycles have 177 834year cycles. The mean year is 365.242206… days (same as for 834year cycle) and the mean month is 29.53057… days (as for this tithi).
There is a much shorter lunisolar cycle that is based on the tithi of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is the 3511year cycle of 43,425 lunar months and 1,282,365 days = 183,195 weeks, which is equal to 45 lunar 965month cycles. Its mean year is 365.24210… days and its mean month is of course the same 29.53057… days.
Karl
11(03(08
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij Bhushan Vij
Karl, Victor, Irv CC sirs: 834years =304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation Also, 10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 d (BOTH approximating 304612 days). Mean Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days AUTOMATIC adjustment, I mentioned, of *one lunation  the 29*11082 =321378th* that get eliminated in 29 cycles of 896years i.e. 25984years/321377 lunation, make the perfect compromise getting: Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean Lunation = 29.53058296 days 2900years = 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 days) Mean Year = 365.24206896552 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530556484889 days. > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:31:52 +0100 > From: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > To: [hidden email] > > Dear Victor, Irv, Brij and Calendar People > > I found that 30 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of > 26,880 years = 332459 months = 9,817,710 days, giving a mean month of > 29.5305887... days. > > I later found that 29 896year cycles make a lunisolar cycle of > 25,984 years = 321377 months = 9,490,453 days, giving a mean month of > 29.5305918... days. > > Both have a mean year of exactly 365.2421875 days, which can be obtained > from a 128year cycle with 31 leap days or an 896year cycle with 159 > leap weeks. > > Karl > > 11(03(06 till noon > > Original Message > From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Victor Engel > Sent: 19 April 2010 22:14 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: 896yr lunisolar cycle RE: WORLD TRIPLE CALENDAR > > Dear Irv and Calendar People, > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Irv Bromberg > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 2010 Apr 19, at 12:44 , Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: > > > > This period of 25984years is almost *One cycle of Precession of > Equinoxes*. > > > > It is misleading to quote that cycle duration with 5 significant > figures, as > > It is Brij's cycle that is quoted to 5 significant digits, which is > appropriate, in this case, because it's exactly 29 cycles of 896 years > or 25,984 years. I think what Brij is saying is that his cycle of 29 > cycles of 896 years each approximates one cycle of the precession of > the equinox, which is also appropriate. I don't think he's claiming > that the precession of the equinoxes takes exactly 25984 years. In > fact, if you look carefully, he says "almost", implying it's not an > exact match. > > Victor >  > Scanned by iCritical. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. Scanned by iCritical. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how.  Scanned by iCritical. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. 
Dear Brij and Calendar People The answer from Brij’s question can be got by calculating
the mean months: 834year cycle: 304612 days, 10315 months, mean month 29.530973...
days. 1803year cycle: 658532 days, 22300 months, mean month 29.530583…
days. 2900year cycle: 1059203 days, 35868 months, mean month
29.530584… days. 3150year cycle: 1150513 days, 38960 months, mean month 29.530621..
days. All four cycles have an accurate mean year (between 365.2420 and
365.2425 days). I don’t think the 3150year cycle was introduced to this
thread as a lunisolar cycle. It’s accuracy as such is not very good. Karl 11(03(10 From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Karl,
sir: >834 years with 10315 lunar months and 304612 days is a poor
lunisolar cycle. The mean month of >304612/10315 = 29.53059743… days, which
Brij did calculate is inaccurate. What
Mean Year/Lunation values are obtained by Karl and/or his team.....since my
learning is....agreed
limited to my interpretations! I obtain these as: (MJD
55308)/1726+D123W1704 (G. Thurday, 2010 April 22H15:85 (decimal) EST Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:25:27 +0100 Dear Brij and Calendar People A lunisolar cycle needs to have a whole number of years,
lunar months and days. Please see http://www.thelight.com/cal/kp_Lunisolar_xls.html
for examples. Therefore, 834 years of 10315.1342 lunar months and 304611.9862
days is NOT a lunisolar cycle. 834 years with 10315 lunar months and 304612 days is a poor
lunisolar cycle. The mean month of 304612/10315 = 29.53059743… days,
which Brij did calculate is inaccurate. May be, Brij is suggesting a lunisolar 8,340,000year cycle with
103,151,342 lunations and 3,046,119,862 days or perhaps 4,170,000 years with 51,575,671 lunations and 1,523,059,931
days. I ask Brij to read about the 2919year 73,809year and 3511year
cycles again and to understand how the 834year cycle appears in the 2919year
cycle, the tithi appears in the 3511year cycle and both in the 73,809year
cycle. When did Brij ever ask a question about and calendar
person’s Email? Karl 11(03(08 till noon From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Sirs: Also, 10315.1342
lunation = 304611.9866 days 3
1/2 times 834years are 2919years (close to number of tithi in 8year cycle). Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:00:22 +0100 Dear Brij, Victor, Irv and Calendar People Brij said the following about the 834year cycle Mean
Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days This shows it to be a very poor lunisolar cycle, less accurate
for the moon than the Julian Calendar’s 532year Easter cycle. Helios has discovered a lunisolar cycle of three and a half
834year cycles: 2919 years, 36,103 lunar months and 3.5*304,612=1,066,142
days. Its mean month is 29.5305653… days and its mean year is of course
that of the 834year cycle. Seven 834year cycles contains two of these cycles
(5838 years of 72,206 lunar months). Also I recall telling Brij that three 834year cycles (each of
304612/7 = 43516 weeks) have 138*946 weeks so have exactly 965*946 tithis of
2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is very fortunate that the
834year cycle is a multiple of 46 weeks (one third of 138 weeks). These tithis would give 309,945 25/59 lunar months
to three 834year cycles or 103,315 25/177 lunar months to 834 years. The complete lunisolar cycle is 3*(29.5)*834 = 73,809 years of
912,890 lunar months and of 26,958,162 days = 3,851,166 weeks. It is also equal
to 946 lunar 965month cycles and to 88.5 834year cycles. Two of these
lunisolar cycles have 177 834year cycles. The mean year is 365.242206… days (same as for 834year
cycle) and the mean month is 29.53057… days (as for this tithi). There is a much shorter lunisolar cycle that is based on the
tithi of 2/59 lunar months equated to 966/965 days. It is the 3511year
cycle of 43,425 lunar months and 1,282,365 days = 183,195 weeks, which is equal
to 45 lunar 965month cycles. Its mean year is 365.24210… days and its
mean month is of course the same 29.53057… days. Karl 11(03(08 From: East Carolina University Calendar
discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brij
Bhushan Vij Karl, Victor, Irv CC
sirs: 834years
=304611.9862 days; and 10315.1342 lunation Also,
10315.1342 lunation =304611.9866 d (BOTH
approximating 304612 days). Mean
Year =365.242206235012 days; Mean Lunation =29.53097431 days AUTOMATIC adjustment, I
mentioned, of *one lunation  the 29*11082 =321378th* that
get eliminated in 29 cycles of 896years i.e. 25984years/321377 lunation, make
the perfect compromise getting:
Mean Year = 365.242374 days; Mean Lunation = 29.53058296
days 2900years
= 35867.97259131132 lunation (1059202.35 days)
Mean Year = 365.24206896552 days; Mean Lunation = 29.530556484889 days. Hotmail
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