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Karl Palmen

Dear Moongazer, Irv and Calendar People

 

I found the Remy Landau site quite useful. I recall Irv disagreeing with him about the postponement rule that occurs if the molad is in the last 6 hours of the Hebrew calendar day

http://hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/#11

 

The (modest) website seems to be about a Jewish Calendar program that can be run on DOS or Windows up to Windows7. It also has something that requires Flash to be run.

 

Also is “its webpage” is Nabble, which actually has nothing to do with CALNDR-L.  It seems that posting to this list via Nabble is no longer available. Helios used to post via Nabble and now posts to me in private. It was from Nabble, that I found out, Motti Yarchinai is Moongazer.

 

Karl

 

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From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Motti Yarchinai
Sent: 18 July 2017 00:19
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

 

Hello Calendar people,

 

(Apologies if you receive this post twice. I usually post to this list via its webpage, but the original post, was not sent out to the list and the "list owner" (Rick McCarty) doesn't know why. So, on his advice, I am resending it via email.)

 

I have been a member of this list for some years, but only an infrequent contributor to it.

Remy Landau has an extensive website on the Jewish calendar at  http://hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/  It invites feedback and questions from visitors, and a section of it (which I can't find right now) contained copies of such correspondence and his replies. But when I last looked, the most recent ones were quite some years old.

I too have a (more modest) website on the same subject at  http://tiny.cc/jewishcalendar

About 10 years ago (roughly), our mutual interest in this subject generated a spate of private email correspondence between myself and Remy. I attempted to revive this a few months ago, but I got no reply from him.

Does anyone on this list know if Remy is still alive and well and in communication with others (I have no idea how old he is) and, if so, might you know of another means of contacting him, such as a phone number?

 

(His site is still being updated with notices of upcoming Jewish dates of significance. But I suspect they are automatically generated.)


I'm not sure, but I think Remy is French Canadian. If so, that would make him a fellow countryman of Irv Bromberg. ...

 

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Indus Technology Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Brij Bhushan metric VIJ
Matti Yarchinai, Rick McCarty, Karl, cc sirs:

>  It invites feedback and >questions from visitors, and a >section of it (which I can't >find right now) contained >copies of such >correspondence and his >replies. But when I last >looked, the most recent ones >were quite some years old.

Permit me to take some liberty and post my views, also remained under discussion with Calndr-L since mid-2002.

>Does anyone on this list know >if Remy is still alive and well >and in communication with >others (I have no idea how old >he is) and, if so, might you >know of another means of >contacting him, such as a >phone number?

It does give me a surprise that an old member like'Moongazer'

changes his identity and posts to list 'improved ideas/site' about some work of:

>Remy Landau on the Jewish >calendar at  his site:       >http://Hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/ 

I pray that Remy is alive, living his fuller life granted by HIM. May he live long to establish 'his aimed goals'. 

My concern is for the calculations demonstrated by me about 19-years/6932 1/2 Tithi/235 moons cycle, presumed to belong to flourishing period of Indo-Sarswati culture. Tithi for 'this' purpose, I use=1 335/326919 day as: (235x29.5=6932.5 Tithi X11.001024718661197 Day=6939.603862118751/365.242189669781=19.00000618327503 Years. 

Whatever be the duration of Year length & Mean Lunation, it cannot be ruled out that Indus people had 'skill to determine' this 19-year cycle with 235 moons/6932.5 Tithi.

   "I have yet to know why cannot ONE Tithi (the last half in my 448-years/5541 moons=163628.5 days be extended by 0.49387336 day (making this ONE 1/2-tithi longer) to be self-consumed over 25842-years. This longer 'tithi' still is shorter than my 1 338/326919 day tithi value.

This brings my resultant Mean Lunation to 29d12h44m2s.877504=29.53058886 days, the currrnt value today!

Regards, 

Ex-Flt Lt Brij Bhushan Vij (Retd), Author

Tuesday, 2017 July 18H14:28 (decimal)


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On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:25 AM, Karl Palmen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Remy Landau has an extensive website on the Jewish calendar at  http://hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/ 
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Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Irv Bromberg
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From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [[hidden email]] on behalf of Motti Yarchinai [[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 19:18

Remy Landau has an extensive website on the Jewish calendar at http://hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/  It invites feedback and questions from visitors, and a section of it (which I can't find right now) contained copies of such correspondence and his replies. But when I last looked, the most recent ones were quite some years old.

I too have a (more modest) website on the same subject at  http://tiny.cc/jewishcalendar

About 10 years ago (roughly), our mutual interest in this subject generated a spate of private email correspondence between myself and Remy. I attempted to revive this a few months ago, but I got no reply from him.

Does anyone on this list know if Remy is still alive and well and in communication with others (I have no idea how old he is) and, if so, might you know of another means of contacting him, such as a phone number?

(His site is still being updated with notices of upcoming Jewish dates of significance. But I suspect they are automatically generated.)

I'm not sure, but I think Remy is French Canadian. If so, that would make him a fellow countryman of Irv Bromberg. ...


Motti:  Actually Remy is a fellow resident of Toronto, in fact he lives less than a 10-minute drive from my house. I have met with him several times, and we have corresponded via email numerous times. Which email address are you using?

The email address given on his web site is <[hidden email]>, did you try that?

I was corresponding with Remy several years ago at <[hidden email]>, but so many people are having problems with yahoo email these days that it doesn't surprise me that Remy apparently switched to gmail. Specifically, if a yahoo user forgets his or her password, there is no way to recover access (no way that actually works).

I think that Remy must be alive and reasonably well because last month he was honoured as "Man of the Year" by the Brotherhood of his synagogue, Adath Israel, see:

https://www.gifttool.com/registrar/ShowEventDetails?ID=2235&EID=24193

-- Irv Bromberg, Toronto, Canada

http://www.sym454.org/
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Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Irv Bromberg
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From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [[hidden email]] on behalf of Karl Palmen [[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 08:04

I found the Remy Landau site quite useful. I recall Irv disagreeing with him about the postponement rule that occurs if the molad is in the last 6 hours of the Hebrew calendar day

http://hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/#11



Remy Landau states that this postponement is to ensure that the calculated time of any molad does not exceed the first day of any month in the Hebrew calendar, but I find it hard to accept that anybody in the past or present cared about this.

The equivalent, as pointed out by Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss (Gauß), which would entirely eliminate the need for this postponement rule, would be to add 6 hours to the calculated molad moment, or, even simpler, take the molad epoch as 6 hours later than the traditional epoch moment.

-- Irv Bromberg, Toronto, Canada

http://www.sym454.org/hebrew/
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Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Karl Palmen

Dear Irv and Calendar People

 

Thank you Irv for your reply.

 

From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Irv Bromberg
Sent: 19 July 2017 06:39
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

 

From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [[hidden email]] on behalf of Karl Palmen [[hidden email]]

Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 08:04

I found the Remy Landau site quite useful. I recall Irv disagreeing with him about the postponement rule that occurs if the molad is in the last 6 hours of the Hebrew calendar day

http://hebrewcalendar.tripod.com/#11


 

Remy Landau states that this postponement is to ensure that the calculated time of any molad does not exceed the first day of any month in the Hebrew calendar, but I find it hard to accept that anybody in the past or present cared about this.

 

KARL REPLIES: I recall reading about a ritual reading of the molad time, occurring every month, except Tishri.



The equivalent, as pointed out by Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss (Gauß), which would entirely eliminate the need for this postponement rule, would be to add 6 hours to the calculated molad moment, or, even simpler, take the molad epoch as 6 hours later than the traditional epoch moment.

 

KARL REPLIES: I appreciate that delaying the molad by 6 hours would simplify the postponements and may also reduce the number of years postponed without modifying any years. It seems that this desirable thing might have not been done, because some months would then begin before the day of this delayed molad, which might make the monthly molad reading embarrassing.

 

I did also find out that this postponement was added at a later time, perhaps because rabbis were complaining about embarrassing molad readings.

 

I also noticed that the issue of minimising the number of years postponed has been addressed, but have not studied it in sufficient detail to understand it.

 

Karl

 

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-- Irv Bromberg, Toronto, Canada

http://www.sym454.org/hebrew/

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Re: Indus Technology Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Brij Bhushan metric VIJ
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I wounder (how & why) some of my figures get replaced in my mail, while sending; although I try to read before hitting the SEND command! For example, the extra duration in my 448-years/5541 Lunation calculation, I typed 0.49287326 day to be added - the figure got replaced to 0.49387336. This may kindly be replaced.
Corrected figures shall be: [(448x365.2421875) days+0.49287326]/5541=29.53058886 days i.e. Mean Lunation works to: 29d12h44m2s.877504 the target figure in my calculation.
To Remy Landau, sir:
I never believed YOU were 'gone'; may you live long and I pray for your healthy years ahead. At this age, 82, I am still trying to reach the peak of Mount Everest, scaling my tryst with destiny - Reform for Calendar, like my proposed  Brij-Gregorian Modified Calendar since Sunday, 1971 June 06.

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Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Moongazer
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Dear Calendar people,

Thank you to those who replied to my request for information about Remy Landau. It was especially good to hear from Irv that they are almost neighbours in Toronto and that Remy was a recent honouree of his synagogue - a sign that he is still active in his community. I will try to re-establish email communication with Remy soon.

It is interesting that both Karl and Irv mentioned the past discussions between those two Torontians about the 'Aged Molad' postponement rule of the Jewish calendar. That was the main subject of my email correspondence with Remy of about a decade ago. His theory about the reason for that postponement has appeal, despite the doubts raised about it. To my mind, it is almost certain that the traditional reason given for it in the classical commentaries, linking it to a rule given by R. Zera in B. Talmud, Rosh Hashana 20b, is wrong for the reason I mention on page 8 of this article linked to on my Jewish-calendar website. The true historical reason for it (along with the Ben-Meir v Sadya controversy) is an enduring mystery of the Jewish calendar (sod ha-ibbur?).

Moongazer
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Re: [SUSPICIOUS MESSAGE] Re: Trying to contact Remy Landau (2nd post)

Irv Bromberg
From: East Carolina University Calendar discussion List [[hidden email]] on behalf of Moongazer [[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 07:09

It is interesting that both Karl and Irv mentioned the past discussions
between those two Torontians about the 'Aged Molad' postponement rule of the
Jewish calendar. That was the main subject of my email correspondence with
Remy of about a decade ago. His theory about the reason for that
postponement has appeal, despite the doubts raised about it. To my mind, it
is almost certain that the traditional reason given for it in the classical
commentaries, linking it to a rule given by R. Zera in B. Talmud, Rosh
Hashana 20b, is wrong for the reason I mention on page 8 of this article
<http://secure-web.cisco.com/1czMtSlnu3w20qh28GRPxLPBbo2wFCy7mdHoMf3Wwo43jvXjHIRaGG3d70fZS4vfpRGH8JhI8tbk35jLjd9kuGlqmz0lfDMCXYjgkoBdsIyHLnMZvLKhjmCNoiK_BOgW3dGz_LT7znfSi6AWSt7Jn-qGPRPOI1llHwtFLEbS3G0pa74tKvDZ5RS8BQdj90HV-1UtTTuwa0GRG0jTGKfyHbQ-S4JOqe7bN9d2_6tVNmiNH077T_MegLu_i6DE91pwuTmxzcucV6hG0vfL7sw3Hz4BYU7coT_SUguRmKHtTj84fuSVsn5BgV4lSBC1LMKTmRRh3GoYPaXpMEMMsyKIhn52eVPi4a_iROAnxAIG-ZpGmgfk_MzELBMEiwoKvcUHr-G1r-wLWgoP8dqYnr5DHt7V2h30mcuMgPrWyyTXR_O4I7IEWH0NTYFWeCnpOr7-mYZViVaYjGGDbgSSmNK8flrKv73QlV7C89SI_7ynx4Rk/http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.ozemail.com.au%2F%7Emoongazer%2Fdownloads%2FTosafot-RH8a.pdf>
linked to on my Jewish-calendar website <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1J4DOUIUClYHr23o2sDo5J_1SN-3syHdmZQKHx-ysZvoHFTBdserMHWGNh80cEIOsx2Nr0ogvTETqx8IZEbbyiWuIs3xARHi4VO4WA5g4L6BAcgTy-KI8z1poBW-_qw3jw6TR1pGkesQHJgLOGV7MlUh2Kj2S-Q-k7MnWs7f-5HfBKNFCFY_QKQszhaKy9se7Ps3G6G6Zw7WTfMIkzRmdRVuvqUJQ3taiOeAt00kqfHKOonEoKsbv7lTYpdCHBvAJ8NiQat70VWVFCr-EkFzowiFP5JiTGGb3wWlARMtqi_9mwtw_ZNJv6LDE5JJO581zfL8nA0m-UCbNhvLHc5CmezyyK6nFhfadC5JjMwQNSeWb31FQzgcuwBRBn0hHX1q6pgkqSCMK_MK2FUF9vMSUeh4r1bCpNJAoXRoHJGmWc4mz8yzFJgaQlrFoUP3nYC7ItgngmpoeLFN_5pEuNJ8pSnR-pLsy90y_CxZdNln3tJVd-b_7E8TwEZfmkvuddF2z/http%3A%2F%2Ftiny.cc%2Fjewishcalendar> .
The true historical reason for it (along with the Ben-Meir v Sadya
controversy) is an enduring mystery of the Jewish calendar (sod ha-ibbur?).

[Bromberg] The above crazy URLs don't work on my PC.

I assume that the molad zakein (old molad) is analogous to the rule that the Sanhedrin wouldn't accept witnesses arriving in the afternoon, because it was too late for the priests to prepare and execute the rituals. Nothing mysterious about this.

--- Irv