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Georgian Calendar Month Names

Karl Palmen

Dear Calendar People

 

Concerning the Georgian Calendars at

http://myweb.ecu.edu/mccartyr/hirossa.html the earlier version names its months 1st month, 2nd month, etc., but concedes that Julian month names could be used and for such a case suggest the name of Georgy for the 13th month (-y as in July?). However if Georgy were the first month, the other months would be nearer their Julian Calendar namesakes and I show which Julian Calendar years that the month would be entirely within its Julian calendar namesake for both leap and common years.

 

The columns are

numerical month name,

conservative month name,

Julian calendar start date of month in common years of (1713/1848 CE),  

dates the month must begin in a common year to occur within its namesake in both leap years and common years,

CE year-range within which the month occurs within its Julian Calendar namesake for both leap years and common years.

 

1st month  Georgy    Dec 11

2nd month  January   Jan 8     Jan 1-4   2241/2768

3rd month  February  Feb 5     Feb 1     2241/2372

4th month  March     Mar 5     Mar 2-4   1845/2240

5th month  April     Apr 2     Apr 2-3   1581/1844

6th month  May       Apr 30    May 2-4   1185/1580

7th month  June      May 28    Jun 2-3   0921/1184

8th month  July      Jun 25    Jul 2-4   0525/0920

9th month  August    Jul 23    Aug 2-4   0129/0524

10th month September Aug 20    Sep 2-3   -0135/0128

11th month October   Sep 17    Oct 2-4   -0531/-0136

12th month November  Oct 15    Nov 2-3   -0795/-0532

13th month December  Nov 12    Dec 2-4   -1191/-0796

 

If Georgy were placed at the end of the year these year ranges would be 28*132=3696 years earlier. The ranges are specified in format of the draft extension of ISO8601 at

https://www.loc.gov/standards/datetime/pre-submission.html

 

A closer correspondence to the Julian Calendar namesakes could be achieved by naming the first month December, 2nd month January and placing Georgy at the 10th month between August and September. The ranges for September to November would be 3696 years later.

 

If it were desired to place the months as near to their Gregorian namesakes as possible, the optimum place for Georgy would be as 3rd month between February and March. In which case it could be named Mercedony (anglicised Mercedonius) pronounced with the stress on the second ‘e’ and the ‘o’ may be silent.

 

I expect Walter Ziobro would have his own ideas for naming the months.

 

 

Karl

 

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Aligning Julian & Gregorian calendars Re: Georgian Calendar Month Names

Brij Bhushan metric VIJ
Karl, sirs:
Yes, this is not my cup of tea; but if an attempt is underway to align Julian calendar with Modified Gregorian calendar: http://www.brijvij.com or any other candidate for a possible 'World calendar', is certainly a good idea. Moreso, other National/Regional calendars shall also be a need for 'Any New Approach' for the World calendar to be!
Why change month names of the current Gregorian calendar, sirs?
Regards , 
Brij Bhushan (metric) Vij
Tuesday, 2016 August 16H13:05(decimal)

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On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Karl Palmen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Calendar People

 

Concerning the Georgian Calendars at

http://myweb.ecu.edu/mccartyr/hirossa.html the earlier version names its months 1st month, 2nd month, etc., but concedes that Julian month names could be used and for such a case suggest the name of Georgy for the 13th month (-y as in July?). However if Georgy were the first month, the other months would be nearer their Julian Calendar namesakes and I show which Julian Calendar years that the month would be entirely within its Julian calendar namesake for both leap and common years.

 

The columns are

numerical month name,

conservative month name,

Julian calendar start date of month in common years of (1713/1848 CE),  

dates the month must begin in a common year to occur within its namesake in both leap years and common years,

CE year-range within which the month occurs within its Julian Calendar namesake for both leap years and common years.

 

1st month  Georgy    Dec 11

2nd month  January   Jan 8     Jan 1-4   2241/2768

3rd month  February  Feb 5     Feb 1     2241/2372

4th month  March     Mar 5     Mar 2-4   1845/2240

5th month  April     Apr 2     Apr 2-3   1581/1844

6th month  May       Apr 30    May 2-4   1185/1580

7th month  June      May 28    Jun 2-3   0921/1184

8th month  July      Jun 25    Jul 2-4   0525/0920

9th month  August    Jul 23    Aug 2-4   0129/0524

10th month September Aug 20    Sep 2-3   -0135/0128

11th month October   Sep 17    Oct 2-4   -0531/-0136

12th month November  Oct 15    Nov 2-3   -0795/-0532

13th month December  Nov 12    Dec 2-4   -1191/-0796

 

If Georgy were placed at the end of the year these year ranges would be 28*132=3696 years earlier. The ranges are specified in format of the draft extension of ISO8601 at

https://www.loc.gov/standards/datetime/pre-submission.html

 

A closer correspondence to the Julian Calendar namesakes could be achieved by naming the first month December, 2nd month January and placing Georgy at the 10th month between August and September. The ranges for September to November would be 3696 years later.

 

If it were desired to place the months as near to their Gregorian namesakes as possible, the optimum place for Georgy would be as 3rd month between February and March. In which case it could be named Mercedony (anglicised Mercedonius) pronounced with the stress on the second ‘e’ and the ‘o’ may be silent.

 

I expect Walter Ziobro would have his own ideas for naming the months.

 

 

Karl

 

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Re: Aligning Julian & Gregorian calendars Re: Georgian Calendar Month Names

Phil De Rosa
Hi Brij and all.  I think we have a problem in that this list communicates in English, can’t be helped of course not having an International language, and so we use English terminology for the names of the months. 
 
I feel that no matter the number of months in a finally accepted universal World calendar year, whether 12 or 13,  we must consider adopting numerical names for the months which makes it a little easier to translate or recognize. 
 
We so often write the date like today’s date as so; 2016-08-16 or 16-08-2016.  What’s not simpler than calling it the Eighth month rather than August, or calling the Ninth, Tenth, Eleventh, and Twelfth months which they are rather than September, October, November, and December which are numerically wrong.
 
If we are going to create one common calendar for World usage, still keeping in place all national and religious calendars, let’s make it as simple as possible in this ever growing complex world of ours.
 
Phil De Rosa
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:04 PM
Subject: Aligning Julian & Gregorian calendars Re: Georgian Calendar Month Names
 
Karl, sirs:
Yes, this is not my cup of tea; but if an attempt is underway to align Julian calendar with Modified Gregorian calendar: http://www.brijvij.com or any other candidate for a possible 'World calendar', is certainly a good idea. Moreso, other National/Regional calendars shall also be a need for 'Any New Approach' for the World calendar to be!
Why change month names of the current Gregorian calendar, sirs?
Regards ,
Brij Bhushan (metric) Vij
Tuesday, 2016 August 16H13:05(decimal)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Karl Palmen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Calendar People

 

Concerning the Georgian Calendars at

http://myweb.ecu.edu/mccartyr/hirossa.html the earlier version names its months 1st month, 2nd month, etc., but concedes that Julian month names could be used and for such a case suggest the name of Georgy for the 13th month (-y as in July?). However if Georgy were the first month, the other months would be nearer their Julian Calendar namesakes and I show which Julian Calendar years that the month would be entirely within its Julian calendar namesake for both leap and common years.

 

The columns are

numerical month name,

conservative month name,

Julian calendar start date of month in common years of (1713/1848 CE), 

dates the month must begin in a common year to occur within its namesake in both leap years and common years,

CE year-range within which the month occurs within its Julian Calendar namesake for both leap years and common years.

 

1st month  Georgy    Dec 11

2nd month  January   Jan 8     Jan 1-4   2241/2768

3rd month  February  Feb 5     Feb 1     2241/2372

4th month  March     Mar 5     Mar 2-4   1845/2240

5th month  April     Apr 2     Apr 2-3   1581/1844

6th month  May       Apr 30    May 2-4   1185/1580

7th month  June      May 28    Jun 2-3   0921/1184

8th month  July      Jun 25    Jul 2-4   0525/0920

9th month  August    Jul 23    Aug 2-4   0129/0524

10th month September Aug 20    Sep 2-3   -0135/0128

11th month October   Sep 17    Oct 2-4   -0531/-0136

12th month November  Oct 15    Nov 2-3   -0795/-0532

13th month December  Nov 12    Dec 2-4   -1191/-0796

 

If Georgy were placed at the end of the year these year ranges would be 28*132=3696 years earlier. The ranges are specified in format of the draft extension of ISO8601 at

https://www.loc.gov/standards/datetime/pre-submission.html

 

A closer correspondence to the Julian Calendar namesakes could be achieved by naming the first month December, 2nd month January and placing Georgy at the 10th month between August and September. The ranges for September to November would be 3696 years later.

 

If it were desired to place the months as near to their Gregorian namesakes as possible, the optimum place for Georgy would be as 3rd month between February and March. In which case it could be named Mercedony (anglicised Mercedonius) pronounced with the stress on the second ‘e’ and the ‘o’ may be silent.

 

I expect Walter Ziobro would have his own ideas for naming the months.

 

 

Karl

 

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ISO Date & Time Re: Aligning Julian & Gregorian calendars Re: Georgian Calendar Month Names

Brij Bhushan metric VIJ
Phil all, sirs:
I thank you for your response and concern for ISO Rrpresentation for expression of Date/Time representation in line with ISO 8601:2004 or its updates and revision.
As we already use count for number of months: January (01),....through December (12); month of July naturally falls (07). In the proposed Modification of my Brij-Gregorian calendar format, I remove 31st day from month July (07) and shift this gained day to 2nd month February (02) to have 29 days (all years), thus making Four 'equal' Quarters each of 91-days. 365th day & 366th days are proposed to be outside of the format; and thereby the TWO half years are each of 182/3 days. Moreso, providing improved Mean Year=7*(52+31/128) =365.2421875 days, when replacing 'centurion' LeapDay Rule to better 128-year LeapDay rule. Same Nean Year is obtained on using my suggested 896-year cycle, or 834-year cycle per discussion at: http://www.brijvij.com/ placing a LeapWeek every six(6) years with a few extra Kepler's Leap Weeks. At my home page, I have pointed to lunar/lunisolar calculations with possibly the Best Mean Lunation values and positively establishing my links with 29 1/2 "phase/tithi" in the lunar month - perhaps used during ancient civilisation of the Indus people in the areas of British India, undeciphered so far. It was fortunate for me to have brought this, while recalling my old discussions with Prof. Romila Thapar, a renound 'historian of India' recently. I have used 'H' as the separator between Date & representation of Time of the Hour during my discussions, sirs!
I have only tried to point that the idea of One World One Calendar can become a reality, if some 400-odd calendars used over Earth as religious/regional calendars can be aligned with the format proposed.
My regards to all experts,
Brij Bhushan (metric) VIJ
Tuesday, 2016August(08)16H19:69(decimal)

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On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Phil De Rosa <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Brij and all.  I think we have a problem in that this list communicates in English, can’t be helped of course not having an International language, and so we use English terminology for the names of the months. 
 
I feel that no matter the number of months in a finally accepted universal World calendar year, whether 12 or 13,  we must consider adopting numerical names for the months which makes it a little easier to translate or recognize. 
 
We so often write the date like today’s date as so; 2016-08-16 or 16-08-2016.  What’s not simpler than calling it the Eighth month rather than August, or calling the Ninth, Tenth, Eleventh, and Twelfth months which they are rather than September, October, November, and December which are numerically wrong.
 
If we are going to create one common calendar for World usage, still keeping in place all national and religious calendars, let’s make it as simple as possible in this ever growing complex world of ours.
 
Phil De Rosa
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:04 PM
Subject: Aligning Julian & Gregorian calendars Re: Georgian Calendar Month Names
 
Karl, sirs:
Yes, this is not my cup of tea; but if an attempt is underway to align Julian calendar with Modified Gregorian calendar: http://www.brijvij.com or any other candidate for a possible 'World calendar', is certainly a good idea. Moreso, other National/Regional calendars shall also be a need for 'Any New Approach' for the World calendar to be!
Why change month names of the current Gregorian calendar, sirs?
Regards ,
Brij Bhushan (metric) Vij
Tuesday, 2016 August 16H13:05(decimal)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Karl Palmen <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Calendar People

 

Concerning the Georgian Calendars at

http://myweb.ecu.edu/mccartyr/hirossa.html the earlier version names its months 1st month, 2nd month, etc., but concedes that Julian month names could be used and for such a case suggest the name of Georgy for the 13th month (-y as in July?). However if Georgy were the first month, the other months would be nearer their Julian Calendar namesakes and I show which Julian Calendar years that the month would be entirely within its Julian calendar namesake for both leap and common years.

 

The columns are

numerical month name,

conservative month name,

Julian calendar start date of month in common years of (1713/1848 CE), 

dates the month must begin in a common year to occur within its namesake in both leap years and common years,

CE year-range within which the month occurs within its Julian Calendar namesake for both leap years and common years.

 

1st month  Georgy    Dec 11

2nd month  January   Jan 8     Jan 1-4   2241/2768

3rd month  February  Feb 5     Feb 1     2241/2372

4th month  March     Mar 5     Mar 2-4   1845/2240

5th month  April     Apr 2     Apr 2-3   1581/1844

6th month  May       Apr 30    May 2-4   1185/1580

7th month  June      May 28    Jun 2-3   0921/1184

8th month  July      Jun 25    Jul 2-4   0525/0920

9th month  August    Jul 23    Aug 2-4   0129/0524

10th month September Aug 20    Sep 2-3   -0135/0128

11th month October   Sep 17    Oct 2-4   -0531/-0136

12th month November  Oct 15    Nov 2-3   -0795/-0532

13th month December  Nov 12    Dec 2-4   -1191/-0796

 

If Georgy were placed at the end of the year these year ranges would be 28*132=3696 years earlier. The ranges are specified in format of the draft extension of ISO8601 at

https://www.loc.gov/standards/datetime/pre-submission.html

 

A closer correspondence to the Julian Calendar namesakes could be achieved by naming the first month December, 2nd month January and placing Georgy at the 10th month between August and September. The ranges for September to November would be 3696 years later.

 

If it were desired to place the months as near to their Gregorian namesakes as possible, the optimum place for Georgy would be as 3rd month between February and March. In which case it could be named Mercedony (anglicised Mercedonius) pronounced with the stress on the second ‘e’ and the ‘o’ may be silent.

 

I expect Walter Ziobro would have his own ideas for naming the months.

 

 

Karl

 

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